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The sky can only belong to the future of East Asia such as China, with independent R & D capabilities of large countries. In the fourth generation machine turbojet, turbofan four generations of machines, unmanned aerial vehicles, laser weapons carrier aircraft, the "space plane" appears and the stage of practical implementation, the future pattern of air must be: weak, small countries without Air Force, the big powers dominate the sky.
The author notes that post last night rats "Xiu-line military observation: the mystery of the number of three generations of Chinese machine analysis," fueled machines on the J8 is not three generations of the debate. J8 three generations of machines do not meet accepted standards, can only be regarded as a half generations. However, J8F after J8AWEN model type, not only can reach the level of three generations of machines, and can go beyond the traditional three generations of machines, including F15/F16, three generations of machines against countries. Learn and play a second generation of stealth advantage J15 model, you can also bold vision, careful verification. This is not only to participate in the "new concept weapons design contest" to make, but for the F22 and the surrounding countries and regions of the three generations of machines, proposed the concept of the future fighter.
First, completely changed the mobility to reach and just over three generations of machine standards J8 series can only be "J8AWEN type"
The current second generation can only be considered J8 including J8F half. The biggest feature is the second generation of high-altitude high-speed, mobility drawback is very poor, especially poor in low-altitude subsonic maneuverability, and features three generations of machine is the most favorable low-altitude subsonic maneuverability, agility good. J8 service ceiling of 22,000 meters is between 1.8 and the maximum speed is between 2.0 ~ 2.2M. Latest models such as the installation of a four-J8F redundancy NC operating system, to improve mobility, and to make user interface more user friendly. However, low-altitude maneuverability compared to traditional machine F16/F15 is still a big gap between three generations, compared to J10/SU27 / Rafale / Typhoon worse. Can only be considered second generation half. However, the current role of J8 is the largest radar and early warning aircraft to improve conditions in the premise, the use of high-altitude high-speed advantages, the implementation of "high-altitude diving Raider" tactics, intercept each other, hit and run. "J8AWEN type" is different. "J8AWEN type" is "using vector nozzle turbine engine", and to three generations of machine mobility, high-altitude high-speed advantages of both "super three generations of models." Can be referred to as the "Super 8"
AWEN is axisymmetric vectoring nozzle means. Is the vector nozzle types, nozzle in about ten weight vector, maintenance, handling, with the engine, such as better matching of a vectoring nozzle.
J8 to be three generations of machines, of which the future can only be modified low-mobility "axisymmetric vectoring nozzle," and other means to resolve. Turbojet engine with a vectoring nozzle, will lead to leap in fighter maneuverability, both high-altitude high-speed, another low-altitude high mobility. This is one of the best results. Only modification vectoring nozzle, with high mobility after, J8 to get rid of the second generation and a half, as three generations of machines, such as mobility began to close with the F15/F16, slightly worse with a vectoring nozzle on the same India or Russia's MiG-35 SU30MKI , and the difference vector in the same nozzle with F22/F35. But it also recognized three generations of the standard for third generation machines, there are advantages of high-altitude high-speed, so they can become a "super three generations of models." Hit F16 and F15 as to occupy a larger advantage. Radar is a different matter. Roughly the same in the case of radar, J8AWEN type against F15/F16 / Xiaolong / IDF / Mirage 2000 and other models, the author Jian Ye think the odds even more. Namely: the low level at least break even, and in the high altitude can win. Especially on the Tibetan plateau into India for restraint phantom models. Relative to the MiG-31, although there is no speed advantage (MiG-31's speed 2.8M), but there are mobility advantage. As for the Russian MiG-31 when fitted with the vectoring nozzle, that is their thing.
J8AWEN type of key is:
1, WP engine soon improved, as well as our complete practical vectoring nozzle. This is the introduction of the Russian AL series vector nozzle after J10 engines and equipment, through self-development combined with our variety of reverse engineering for the introduction of anatomy, can be achieved. For existing WP engine axisymmetric vectoring nozzle installation of trim the same time, you can upgrade the control software.
2, in response to the application and ultra-vectoring nozzle overload increased mobility requirements, the body structure through the use of new materials such as titanium beam, to be strengthened.
3, the body needs to lose weight through the use of new materials in order to maintain high-altitude high-speed advantage. Otherwise, installation of vectoring nozzle, medium and large airborne radar, and so additional equipment, increase in weight, the high-altitude high-speed performance, and for the voyage, and so have an effect. I believe that with the use of new materials, J8 to lose weight.
Third, the future "super four generations J8 Series Stealth / J15" concept design - based on the "vector nozzle turbine jet engine" based on high-altitude high-speed high mobility of the "fourth-generation stealth fighter jet vortex", you can slightly better than F22 .
The future development of Super J8 series should be following the direction of the "super four generations J8" that is, the direction of J15, namely: the WP14 and other variants based on both the second generation of high-altitude high-speed advantages, there are four generation machine stealth, super patrol, the advantages of high mobility, this can be achieved, as follows:
1, the radar: the sooner or later with anti-stealth "Active Phased Array," over the horizon radar. In particular, as the search for the next horizon. Existing Doppler radar, which is JL10 or JL10A, the next as the search is only 45 km away, is incompatible with the need for anti-stealth, do not meet the needs of high-altitude tactical Raider. MiG-31 radar aspects of the standards should be close to and even beyond. This is achievable.
2, invisible aspects: (1) existing J8 series, similar J11B by stealth measures to reduce the radar reflector targets, including the use of inlet stealth coating, and so on. But not with RCS to 0.1 meters below the target. If achieved, the need to re-design models.
(2) for the F22, designed "stealth J8", which in fact is not the J8, but to use the "vector nozzle turbine jet engine," the stealth machine. Jian Ye I call it "Super Series Stealth four generations of J8 / J15", relative to the domestic machines are rumors of two stealth J13/14, J15 model is right.
This "J15 stealth machine" is characterized by:
A, three high: "High speed high mobility", by WP + vectoring nozzle to achieve. Which has a height advantage for the F22, the speed can be flat, close to or slightly better mobility. This F22 is not completely against the odds. "Super Series Stealth four generations of J8 / J15 Series" where F22 is more than height advantage.
B, also have the stealth appearance, which is "invisible J8 Series / J15 series" The appearance needs to be redesigned. Aerodynamic shape could be: "F22 appearance similar to vector nozzle installed turbojet engine = J15", or "similar form factor F35 vector nozzle installed turbojet engine = J15".
This type of main engine is only an approximate model and the J8. In fact, the aircraft aerodynamic shape completely changed. Should not be called J8 series, should be called J15 campaigns. Development draws on more than its second-generation technology J8 some advantages and some with the nature of equipment such as turbojet engines.
C, with ultra-super-tour patrol or intermittent capacity. This can be through the use of new materials, decrease weight, improve the turbojet engine thrust, and so measures to achieve. This is the key. WP14 such as the thrust to push the current can only reach the level of close to 8 than to push, push reach more than 10 levels of the engine used in F22. China will push the need to introduce more than 10 turbojet engine.
D, weakness is a short range compared to F22, but can be increased by reducing the fuel load on weight and fuel tubes to compensate.
The realization of these advantages, the engine requires the following conditions, namely:
3, the engine: the two premises: First, WP engine power and push the ratio further increased to push for more than 8 to 10, preferably while reducing fuel consumption, the second is to add vectoring nozzle.
Want to launch two models of existing WP13/WP14 modified, enhanced, I hope, based on the modified engine, developed to push more than 8 to 10 between the "vector nozzle turbine jet engine." So that the "super-J8 series of four generations of stealth machine" to become "more than double 2.2" (that is, a service ceiling of 22,000 meters, the highest speed of 2.2M and above) the new models, while both intermittent ability to patrol the new super-J8, but also is the J15.
4, the body: the enhanced payload capacity, decrease weight and increase fuel load.
In conclusion, J8 extension of the development of the family, as an extension of SU25 MiG-31 development to development, as can J8AWEN and J15 direction. This is I believe that the future development trend of the Air Force. Jian Ye I think that the future development trend of national air forces are: (a) turbojet or turbofan fourth generation stealth stealth four generations. (B) of the UAV, flying robots use. (C) laser weapons carrier aircraft and its use. (This is the most revolutionary.) (D) high-speed super-high-altitude of the "space plane" appears and its practical use. (E) In the fourth generation machines, unmanned aerial vehicles, laser weapons carrier aircraft, the "space plane" appears on the stage of practical realization of its future after the weak, small state has no air force. China's fourth generation machines, unmanned aerial vehicles, laser weapons load, the "space plane" R & D process have the opportunity. The sky can only belong to the future of East Asia such as China, with independent R & D capabilities of large countries.
The author notes that post last night rats "Xiu-line military observation: the mystery of the number of three generations of Chinese machine analysis," fueled machines on the J8 is not three generations of the debate. J8 three generations of machines do not meet accepted standards, can only be regarded as a half generations. However, J8F after J8AWEN model type, not only can reach the level of three generations of machines, and can go beyond the traditional three generations of machines, including F15/F16, three generations of machines against countries. Learn and play a second generation of stealth advantage J15 model, you can also bold vision, careful verification. This is not only to participate in the "new concept weapons design contest" to make, but for the F22 and the surrounding countries and regions of the three generations of machines, proposed the concept of the future fighter.
First, completely changed the mobility to reach and just over three generations of machine standards J8 series can only be "J8AWEN type"
The current second generation can only be considered J8 including J8F half. The biggest feature is the second generation of high-altitude high-speed, mobility drawback is very poor, especially poor in low-altitude subsonic maneuverability, and features three generations of machine is the most favorable low-altitude subsonic maneuverability, agility good. J8 service ceiling of 22,000 meters is between 1.8 and the maximum speed is between 2.0 ~ 2.2M. Latest models such as the installation of a four-J8F redundancy NC operating system, to improve mobility, and to make user interface more user friendly. However, low-altitude maneuverability compared to traditional machine F16/F15 is still a big gap between three generations, compared to J10/SU27 / Rafale / Typhoon worse. Can only be considered second generation half. However, the current role of J8 is the largest radar and early warning aircraft to improve conditions in the premise, the use of high-altitude high-speed advantages, the implementation of "high-altitude diving Raider" tactics, intercept each other, hit and run. "J8AWEN type" is different. "J8AWEN type" is "using vector nozzle turbine engine", and to three generations of machine mobility, high-altitude high-speed advantages of both "super three generations of models." Can be referred to as the "Super 8"
AWEN is axisymmetric vectoring nozzle means. Is the vector nozzle types, nozzle in about ten weight vector, maintenance, handling, with the engine, such as better matching of a vectoring nozzle.
J8 to be three generations of machines, of which the future can only be modified low-mobility "axisymmetric vectoring nozzle," and other means to resolve. Turbojet engine with a vectoring nozzle, will lead to leap in fighter maneuverability, both high-altitude high-speed, another low-altitude high mobility. This is one of the best results. Only modification vectoring nozzle, with high mobility after, J8 to get rid of the second generation and a half, as three generations of machines, such as mobility began to close with the F15/F16, slightly worse with a vectoring nozzle on the same India or Russia's MiG-35 SU30MKI , and the difference vector in the same nozzle with F22/F35. But it also recognized three generations of the standard for third generation machines, there are advantages of high-altitude high-speed, so they can become a "super three generations of models." Hit F16 and F15 as to occupy a larger advantage. Radar is a different matter. Roughly the same in the case of radar, J8AWEN type against F15/F16 / Xiaolong / IDF / Mirage 2000 and other models, the author Jian Ye think the odds even more. Namely: the low level at least break even, and in the high altitude can win. Especially on the Tibetan plateau into India for restraint phantom models. Relative to the MiG-31, although there is no speed advantage (MiG-31's speed 2.8M), but there are mobility advantage. As for the Russian MiG-31 when fitted with the vectoring nozzle, that is their thing.
J8AWEN type of key is:
1, WP engine soon improved, as well as our complete practical vectoring nozzle. This is the introduction of the Russian AL series vector nozzle after J10 engines and equipment, through self-development combined with our variety of reverse engineering for the introduction of anatomy, can be achieved. For existing WP engine axisymmetric vectoring nozzle installation of trim the same time, you can upgrade the control software.
2, in response to the application and ultra-vectoring nozzle overload increased mobility requirements, the body structure through the use of new materials such as titanium beam, to be strengthened.
3, the body needs to lose weight through the use of new materials in order to maintain high-altitude high-speed advantage. Otherwise, installation of vectoring nozzle, medium and large airborne radar, and so additional equipment, increase in weight, the high-altitude high-speed performance, and for the voyage, and so have an effect. I believe that with the use of new materials, J8 to lose weight.
Third, the future "super four generations J8 Series Stealth / J15" concept design - based on the "vector nozzle turbine jet engine" based on high-altitude high-speed high mobility of the "fourth-generation stealth fighter jet vortex", you can slightly better than F22 .
The future development of Super J8 series should be following the direction of the "super four generations J8" that is, the direction of J15, namely: the WP14 and other variants based on both the second generation of high-altitude high-speed advantages, there are four generation machine stealth, super patrol, the advantages of high mobility, this can be achieved, as follows:
1, the radar: the sooner or later with anti-stealth "Active Phased Array," over the horizon radar. In particular, as the search for the next horizon. Existing Doppler radar, which is JL10 or JL10A, the next as the search is only 45 km away, is incompatible with the need for anti-stealth, do not meet the needs of high-altitude tactical Raider. MiG-31 radar aspects of the standards should be close to and even beyond. This is achievable.
2, invisible aspects: (1) existing J8 series, similar J11B by stealth measures to reduce the radar reflector targets, including the use of inlet stealth coating, and so on. But not with RCS to 0.1 meters below the target. If achieved, the need to re-design models.
(2) for the F22, designed "stealth J8", which in fact is not the J8, but to use the "vector nozzle turbine jet engine," the stealth machine. Jian Ye I call it "Super Series Stealth four generations of J8 / J15", relative to the domestic machines are rumors of two stealth J13/14, J15 model is right.
This "J15 stealth machine" is characterized by:
A, three high: "High speed high mobility", by WP + vectoring nozzle to achieve. Which has a height advantage for the F22, the speed can be flat, close to or slightly better mobility. This F22 is not completely against the odds. "Super Series Stealth four generations of J8 / J15 Series" where F22 is more than height advantage.
B, also have the stealth appearance, which is "invisible J8 Series / J15 series" The appearance needs to be redesigned. Aerodynamic shape could be: "F22 appearance similar to vector nozzle installed turbojet engine = J15", or "similar form factor F35 vector nozzle installed turbojet engine = J15".
This type of main engine is only an approximate model and the J8. In fact, the aircraft aerodynamic shape completely changed. Should not be called J8 series, should be called J15 campaigns. Development draws on more than its second-generation technology J8 some advantages and some with the nature of equipment such as turbojet engines.
C, with ultra-super-tour patrol or intermittent capacity. This can be through the use of new materials, decrease weight, improve the turbojet engine thrust, and so measures to achieve. This is the key. WP14 such as the thrust to push the current can only reach the level of close to 8 than to push, push reach more than 10 levels of the engine used in F22. China will push the need to introduce more than 10 turbojet engine.
D, weakness is a short range compared to F22, but can be increased by reducing the fuel load on weight and fuel tubes to compensate.
The realization of these advantages, the engine requires the following conditions, namely:
3, the engine: the two premises: First, WP engine power and push the ratio further increased to push for more than 8 to 10, preferably while reducing fuel consumption, the second is to add vectoring nozzle.
Want to launch two models of existing WP13/WP14 modified, enhanced, I hope, based on the modified engine, developed to push more than 8 to 10 between the "vector nozzle turbine jet engine." So that the "super-J8 series of four generations of stealth machine" to become "more than double 2.2" (that is, a service ceiling of 22,000 meters, the highest speed of 2.2M and above) the new models, while both intermittent ability to patrol the new super-J8, but also is the J15.
4, the body: the enhanced payload capacity, decrease weight and increase fuel load.
In conclusion, J8 extension of the development of the family, as an extension of SU25 MiG-31 development to development, as can J8AWEN and J15 direction. This is I believe that the future development trend of the Air Force. Jian Ye I think that the future development trend of national air forces are: (a) turbojet or turbofan fourth generation stealth stealth four generations. (B) of the UAV, flying robots use. (C) laser weapons carrier aircraft and its use. (This is the most revolutionary.) (D) high-speed super-high-altitude of the "space plane" appears and its practical use. (E) In the fourth generation machines, unmanned aerial vehicles, laser weapons carrier aircraft, the "space plane" appears on the stage of practical realization of its future after the weak, small state has no air force. China's fourth generation machines, unmanned aerial vehicles, laser weapons load, the "space plane" R & D process have the opportunity. The sky can only belong to the future of East Asia such as China, with independent R & D capabilities of large countries.
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